i think this is a guaranty for a taliban takeover, resurgence of al qaeda, the sacrifice of everything our troops have won for us over there and as i say, i think this is a question of getting some good negotiators. we could have resolved that program in iraq if we had the will and tenacity to do so. we can do it here in afghanistan as as well. i think it is less a question of what hamid karzai wants but more a question of what barack obama wants or doesn't want. jenna: that is a big question. we heard from general allen reports that he had suggested to the pentagon upwards of wanting 20,000 troops to remain in the country after the end of 2014. what do you think about the fact that this debate, this negotiation, this floating of the idea of the zero option, is happening very much in the public sphere? that we're talking about it now, that it is out in the open rather than behind closed doors, how does that impact things? >> i think this is what the president wants. i don't think he wants to be in afghanistan. forget after 2014. i think he would like to withdraw this year. and i think